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July 01, 2009

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Tracy

Wow, I agree...this needs to be some kind of reality show!

Jen @ My Kitchen Addiction

Too funny! I would watch a Bravo show about that. :)

Shannalee

Wow.

I hadn't read anything about these exchanges until now, but I'm also a little more fascinated that I should admit by them now!

On the one hand, bloggers aren't food critics, true.

On the other, are restaurants only for the elite? And if restaurants are for the common man, shouldn't he be allowed to share his honest opinion?

I took down my Yelp account sometime last year after mixed feelings on the whole issue, but a friend pointed out that Yelp is good because, sometimes, you as a normal everyday person don't want Fancy Writer's opinion; you want the feedback of a normal everyday person like yourself (you know, the ones whose patronage keeps restaurants in business?).

Aimee

Wow...I don't even know what to say about this. Chef JoeDoe certainly is taking great offense to a few less-than-desireable reviews. As someone who works in a public domain, he should know that there are always going to be people who like what you do and people who don't. There is no reason to get so crazy over it. Plus, if you're going to rant and rave, at least do it in correct English, and don't stoop to cursing. Pretty crazy stuff this is.

Stacey Snacks

T,
How strange that the chef and reviewer both have the same last name?
I don't have a problem w/ a no photo taking or no cell phone rule in a restaurant, I find them both distracting........

On another note, I have a food blog, I have no professional culinary training, however consider myself to have good "taste", and have the right to my opinion about a restaurant, good or bad.

There is no difference between Menu Pages, City Search, Yelp or Urban Spoon. They are all REAL diner's opinions, and I always take them seriously, even if sometimes the writer's spelling and grammar STINKS!

Hornedfroggy of My Baking Heart

HA! I was giggling already, but as soon as I got to your Ross quote, I lost it (that's one of my favorite lines... and it's SO true!)! :)

Tangled Noodle

The heated drama! The fiery tempers! The knives are drawn . . . !

I can understand both sides of the issue: paying customers have every right to express their satisfaction or displeasure over their meal but then again, it's never easy to hear anyone say that the food you cooked sucked. I take it so hard if I think that people did not enjoy the food I prepared.

Chef JoeDoe would be better off simply reading the comments, venting to his poor sous-chefs and waitstaff, taking a deep breath and looking at whether or not the critique had a point. From the sound of it, the above critics pointed out specific issues - many restaurateurs have to PAY consultants to tell them why people don't return!

Reviews on the sites mentioned by Stacy Snacks are great resources and there are bloggers whose opinion I've learned to trust and appreciate; but in the end, I will probably opt to find out for myself. So chill, JoeDoe - nobody wants to dine at a place run by a thin-skinned guy with anger issues and access to sharp instruments.

Eliana

I've heard about this guy and it's disgraceful in my opinion. Everyone has their own taste and everyone has their own opinion. When I review bakieries though I always have at least 3-4 items to really get a sense of what the food is like (and be fair). But for this guy to call what we do as bloggers silly is well...silly in and of itself. I guess to each his own but forget the food, I wouldn't eat at this guy's place ever because of his outright nasty attitude.

Karen

Oh, my. It sounds like Joe needs to get back in the kitchen and work on his cooking (and spelling).
I think blog readers know the difference between a blogger's review and a food writer's.

food librarian

so love this. i wish someone would act it out now.

Jennifer

Is it wrong that I find his (Joe's) spelling/grammar almost as egregious as his attitude?

AmyRuth

I'm just a little old girl from the south, I guess. I live in Missouri now. Some say that's the midwest, others argue its south. I'm from Texas and Missouri is definitely not the south to me. I don't travel to NYC often, so largely my base of knowledge is what I read on the net. I compare this to a lot of Hollywood celebrities who are looking for exposure or publicity, and have found that even bad behavior yields exposure. I suppose even "Bad" publicity is still publicity. Maybe it works for this guy or maybe he really is having a hard time keeping the doors open, sadly. Either way, I can't help remembering the little adage "If you can't say something nice don't say anything at all." However, I think this idea as well as courtesy and manners, sadly has evaporated in today's society.

Leslie

I'm at home with the flu and JoeDoe just made my day, thanks to you, Teanna. Sometimes chefs tend to think their food is so precious it can't be appreciated by the common man. It is after all just food. I think poor ol' Joe fancies himself an artist; if so, he needs to remember that museums are open to the general public (even for free on some days). No degree in art is required, and we can like or dislike, praise or pan the works of art within. Taste is subjective, we each get to have an opinion. The first amendment gives us the right write about our opinions on our blogs. Maybe Joe needs his own blog to rail about uneducated, unappreciative diners. Eventually they would go dine in other restaurants and he would be left in peace to enjoy his own food.

You need to figure out how to sell this idea to Bravo. It would be perfect before/after Top Chef.

Phyllis (me HUNGRY!)

Ooh, can't wait till JoeDoe stumbles upon this post!

I know there are chefs and restaurants out there who view food bloggers with great disdain. But most of the chefs I've met have been really nice (at least so far). I also try to be respectful of an establishment's photo-taking rules. And just like Tangled Noodle, I can see both sides of the argument - the restaurant industry is pretty brutal, especially during a recession -one bad review could destroy someone's livelihood. At the same time, we all have a right to our own opinion and nobody likes to feel ripped off.

When I'm checking out a new restaurant, I always read yelp, menupages etc, along with all the critic and blogger reviews available, primarily because I rarely get to go to a restaurant more than once (nor can I afford to dine there 3,4,or 5 times) and I don't want to miss out on any signature dishes during my visit.

And as for my own blog, I'm just a girl who likes to eat and some of the stuff I write is pretty silly. But I try not to take myself too seriously ;)

Spike

so entertaining! The restaurant business is not the line of work to be in if you can't take criticism.

steph (whisk/spoon)

oh yeah, this story is high entertainment!

jenn

Oh this is hilarious!!! I can just imagine this whole thing playing out in my head.

I do agree that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But when the other person reacts with an almost berating response, that's taking it a little overboard for me. Sheesh! Talk about professionalism.

Natasha - 5 Star Foodie

Truly good chefs don't pay attention to restaurant reviews unless perhaps they are from established critics. Our reviews are not to rate the chefs but for the prospective diners' benefit. It's beyond my understanding why this Chef JoeDoe would even look at comments on Yelp, let alone comment like this back and forth. Does he really expect anyone to come to his restaurant now?

The Duo Dishes

HA! OK, so your commentary actually made this funnier. Yikes, some people just take things too seriously. If you can't take the heat...BYE!

somethingsweetbykaren

wow. seriously.

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